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Thommerfield
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Posted: 06-01-2008 15:49 |
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Hi, I have seen this version of any card at any number: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdXIVQ-asqU
This is the best version that I have seen. There is a book or dvd to buy to explain
how is possible this version? I know many method but this is a miracle version.
I don't want a method that use pre-show or stooges.
If you know a method to replicate this version with the same condition I want
to buy it. Contact me.
Bye.
Tom
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spadesy
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Posted: 06-02-2008 08:51 |
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It's a fantastic demonstration but Marc is keeping that one to himself I presume.
There is a way to "replicate" this version if thought about.
Which ever way, I suggest working on your own methods as there are many waiting in line for this one.
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Posted: 06-02-2008 09:03 |
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I can do this version only with pre-show. If you thought about a methods that don't use a pre-show it is brilliant beacause I don't have an explanation. I have thought a multiple out, but I don't see the out if it does'nt works. Give me some direction if you have thought at other method.
Bye
Tom
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Posted: 06-02-2008 11:33 |
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For what it looks like to the audience, the result is the same. I'm sure you'd find something on The Magic Cafe forum that you are looking for.
Perhaps you could elaborate on your current version.
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Thommerfield
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Posted: 06-03-2008 22:39 |
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I have my version for ACAAN, but the method of Marc is impossible...
I think that there is only one explanation : PRE-SHOW. I don't believe that there are other method with the same condition and without out. I think that the original effect "Berglas Effect" don't exists or it exists but with probability 1/52 if you count always from the top else 1/26... If there is a magician that can do this effect with a regular deck and no PRE-SHOW or psychological influence and the trick work always I give it 1000 Dollar!
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Posted: 06-04-2008 07:09 |
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There's another video where the spectator is randomly selected from the audience.
Besides, what is the point of trying to work out his illusion when you could create your own?
My concern is what you are trying to present as entertainment.
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Posted: 06-05-2008 16:52 |
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Thommerfield wrote: I have my version for ACAAN, but the method of Marc is impossible...
I think that there is only one explanation : PRE-SHOW. ...
If there is a magician that can do this effect with a regular deck and no PRE-SHOW or psychological influence and the trick work always I give it 1000 Dollar!
Thommerfield, we have all been bitten by the quest for the perfect method. However, in his book “Designing Miracles”, Darwin Ortiz made a valid point. Magicians tend to look for effects that require no method at all. We believe the ultimate trick is the one that ‘just happens’ as if by real magic.
In Ortiz own words…
“Often a new effect’s only virtue is that it doesn’t use the standard method for achieving that type of effect. The great selling point in the ads will be, “no thread” or “no double-faced cards” or whatever the standard method for this particular effect may be. Since magicians are familiar with the standard method, this strikes them as great breakthrough.
Laypeople, of course, don’t know the standard method and are therefore less likely to be impressed. (…)
One reason why magicians always think the newer method is better is that it’s more likely to fool them. (…)
Just remember, everything in magic involves a trade-off. Before embracing the new devil, make sure the trade-off is worth it.”
To go back to the ACAAN effect you are alluding to; you are offering money for someone who comes up with the same effect but using no 'pre-show', a method you are merely assuming he used. Exposure aside, in reality, whether you are using a stooge, video editing, gimmicks or sleight of hand, in the end, those are all tools to create the illusion of magic. Each one of those tools has, as Ortiz calls it, a trade-off. Using a gimmick is nice, but may prevent you from letting your spectators examine the fairness of your props. A stooge can do miracles, but you may not carry him 24h/day or have the ability to make him appear as a random spectator. Or you have a method that is near the no-method you were looking for, but you can only do it with Jumbo cards. I hope this makes any sense. If you want to perform ACAAN, you need to scan all methods for their weaknesses and find out which one is best for you, depending on context, your technical abilities, and the premise you want to convey.
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Posted: 06-05-2008 21:05 |
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My magic trick are performed in a no standard way, I perform a trick and when I have an impossible situation where there is no explanation I stop it and I have a miracle. One of my method to perform ACAAN is based on this technique. An other method is Any Thought Card at Any Thoght number where a spectator think of a card and not names any card, another spectator think of a number and count face up from the top the card when he stop on a card the first spectator names the card thought of. The second spectator turnover the card and it is the same. This method not uses stooges and it is totally impromptu with any deck. My method have an out. In the method of Marc Paul I don't see out if the spectator not names the card or the number. This is the reason because I thought of that it uses stooges or pres-show and I bet that the Berglas Effect not exists and there is not magician that can fool me without stooges or pre-show. There is one possibilities 1/52!
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Posted: 06-05-2008 23:45 |
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Nope. He did not use stooges or pre-show.
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Posted: 06-06-2008 12:01 |
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I have seen a second version of this demo and the audience member seems even more random.
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Posted: 06-06-2008 12:08 |
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spadesy wrote: I have seen a second version of this demo and the audience member seems even more random.
I have third version :-) and the probabilities down to 1/6. 1/52 or 1/6 or 1/X is random and is not a way that works 100% of the case in other case you must have an out.
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Posted: 06-06-2008 13:59 |
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How about making a video to explore alternative routines?
When performing different versions, the emphasis on who shuffles and handles the deck and the statistical odds of a match play well for what should seem like a 100% foolproof routine.
I already have one called Accan but it's really should be called that. The reason I have it is because I was discovering how locate cards in a deck by number, which is essentially half the method. The Arson or Tamaris stacks are good place to start in regards to lowering hit statistics.
Personally I am practicing a version that is so simple to learn, but requires a some presentation work.
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Posted: 06-10-2008 11:48 |
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Have you a list of the best version of this effect without pre-show or stooges?
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Posted: 06-10-2008 13:05 |
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Thommerfield, PM me for better routnines. As a mentalist I don't really have a sorted list as they all work for me as it really does depend on the type of performance. What I though would be the "best" was actually the most boring because to demonstrate it can cause the routine to sound like a puzzle for the audience to solve, rather than presentation of mental magic and wonder.
Oh one book I can think of is Theater Of The Mind. Barry explores some interesting ways to present this, but also points out the conditions in which they are presented.
None of the routines I have come across or I use are stooged. 
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Posted: 06-10-2008 13:38 |
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I have this book and I know this version... I want to explore other version because I want to modifie my version to became the best.
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